Real owners lean toward the Garmin Forerunner 165: 67% of 147 owners recommend it, vs 43% of 68 for the Google Pixel Watch 4.
Verdicts aggregated from Reddit, enthusiast forums, and YouTube owner comments — affiliate reviews excluded. Sample sizes differ; judge accordingly. How we score
“This video has made me realise the 165 is for me.”— @CGCGCG91 on YouTube
“ordered a 165 hahah wish I knew sooner!”— @Joseeppph on YouTube
“To remove a feature that was previously there as soon as you release the product, which contains the hardware for the feature is a really bad look.”— @Fernweh_8 on YouTube
“they upgraded everything there is to upgrade really. Bigger, brighter display with slimmer bezzels, faster more efficient processor, bigger user replaceable battery, stronger haptics, faster charging, improved sensors, dual gps.”— VendettaxRiich on Reddit
“It’s super convenient, I keep my watch under my coat sleeve, I don’t even roll it up, I just hold the watch close to the reader and it works automatically.”— lemikeone on Reddit
“no upgrades for me”— Darkpoet67 on Reddit